We went through chapter 6 in the previous post, chapter 7 is about the 144,000 and the tribulation saints. I have already written about those in The 144,000 and Mystery of the 24 elders respectively. Please read both pages for additional insights to the timeline.
In this post we will discuss chapters 8 and 9.
(Revelation 8:1), “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.” KJV.
I have a big problem with this verse. It implies that john was able to measure time inside the throne room, which is an eternal environment. There are no time constraints in eternity. How could john, who is still attached to his mortal body, be able to measure time in an eternal environment?
Even more, for what is described about the throne room in chapter 4, it is a contradiction to say there can be silence in the throne room, (Revelation 4:5,8-11), “[5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. [8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him ; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. [9] And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, [10] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, [11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” KJV.
Moreover, verse 2 seems to be out of order, it makes more sense if written this way, (Revelation 8:2-7), ” [3] And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. [4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand. [5] And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. [2] And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. [6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. [7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up…” KJV.
If he was talking about the seventh seal, how come he talks about the seven trumpets? All that he says about the seventh seal is described in these verses (Rev 8: 1,3-5). But the most important verse is verse 5, (Rev 8:5), ” And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.” KJV.
Let’s compare this verse to (Rev 11:19), when he finishes talking about the seventh trumpet, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” KJV.
As I stated in Part one of this post, the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet happened about the same time, for they described the same events. If this is so, the seventh seal and the seventh trumpet should describe the same events. And as we can see in those two verses, there is a match with the lightnings, thunderings, voices and an earthquake. But we are missing the great hail of the seventh seal. Aren’t we?
Well no, because the censer, filled with fire, and cast into the earth is the great hail.
So if the sixth and seventh seal are parallel to the sixth and seventh trumpet, john must be traveling back in time to the blowing of the first trumpet, for how is he gonna measure silence for half an hour? Remember, he is still connected to his body and he is the only one in that condition in the throne room.
OK., I know it is speculation to believe that the silence is for traveling back in time, but what is not speculation is that he travels back in time to the start of the trumpets.
Let’s continue with (Revelation 8:6-13), “[6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. [7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. “
If 1/3 of the trees burnt up, there are still left 2/3 of them.
[8] And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
If 1/3 of the sea became blood, there is still 2/3 of the sea that remains water.
[9] And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
If 1/3 of the sea creatures died, 2/3 are still alive.
[10] And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; [11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
If 1/3 of the rivers and fountains of water became bitter, 2/3 of them are still fresh water.
[12] And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
A 1/3 part of the sun was smitten there are 2/3 that are still OK.
1/3 part of the moon was darkened there are 2/3 that still shine.
[13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!” KJV.
These are just the first four trumpets, and as it was explained for the first four seals, they might also be blown very close to one another assuming they are parallel to the seals but they might not be. We should expect three more woes as each represent one of the trumpets that are still left.
What is very surprising to me is how the first four seals seem to relate to the releasing of evil over the earth, while the first four trumpets seem to relate more to punishment over the world. This concept matches the understanding of tsunami dreams.
As we can see, the trumpets cause damage over 1/3 of something, while 2/3 remain the same. If we cause that a double measure of any trumpet affect a second time the same thing, then 1/3 + 2/3 = 1. Then the whole thing would be affected. This understanding will be very important when dealing with the bowls.
Let’s continue with chapter 9. (Revelation 9:1-12), “[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. [2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.” KJV.
This is a very deep meteor crash, that causes a high amount of pyroclastic material to be ejected as to cover the light of the sun. This is an angel from heaven to whom JESUS has given him the keys to open the bottomless pit. (Rev 1:18)
“[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.” KJV.
These locusts came out of the bottomless pit, they are demons, and their power is as the power of the scorpions of the earth. Let’s see who the scorpions of the earth are. (Ezekiel 2:3,6), “[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day… [6] And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.” KJV.
These are the souls of the rebellious people of israel, the evil generation of old, the ones that killed the prophets. Is this the resurrection of the condemned?
” [4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. [5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.” KJV.
Nothing should be hurt but only those men who are not GOD’s. Remember, the noahide laws are exterminating the Christians, but the jews, whether zionists, ortodox, or not, are not being affected by those laws, even if they break them they won’t be judged by them. All of them are watching what happens with the Christians (an probably with many other people whos costumes do not match the required noahide behavior such as prostitutes, porn stars, homosexuals, all sorts of criminals, etc.), but only the remnant of GOD must be feeling remorse for what it’s been done. Everyone else will be cheering for the executions.
The demons will hurt only the noahides, the zionists, most of the ortodox, and those who have the mark already. For none of these carry the seal of GOD. And how do I know they don’t? (Matthew 23:29-33), “[29] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, [30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. [31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” KJV.
The day of reckoning has come for this generation.
“[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.” KJV.
These are those who have the mark already. They seem to have been enhanced genetically so their life span has been expanded quite drastically being unable to die. Immortality would be a good pitch to get people to accept the mark of the beast.
“[7] And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. [8] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. [9] And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. [10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. [11] And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.” KJV.
Verse 11 confirms that locusts are demons under the rule of satan. They came out of the bottomless pit and they can cause physical damage to those who have not the seal of GOD.
I have added an additional post about these verses of chapter 9 but considering the effects of the Corona virus vaccine because when I finished this page the vaccine wasn’t out causing havoc on humanity yet. The post is Apollyon and the vaccine and you should read it to improve in the understanding of these verses.
“[12] One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.” KJV.
If we find a phrase like this at the end of the next trumpet that would be how the trumpet sound ends.
(Revelation 9:13-21), “[13] And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, [14] Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. [15] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.” KJV.
The slaying of the third part of men is the heart of this trumpet sound. As with the other trumpets, 1/3 slay, 2/3 alive. A double portion of this trumpet would cause the total annihilation of mankind.
“[16] And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. [17] And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. [18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. [19] For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.” KJV.
This is a 200 million men army. The horses are all sorts of armored vehicles, cannons, and mobile missiles. Fire smoke and brimstone is the result of them opening fire over 1/3 of mankind.
“[20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: [21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.” KJV.
Those who were not killed yet, would not repent. But it also implies all of them will be killed at some point. There seem to be a contradiction here because by this time there are no Christians alive, only the remnant of israel and the 144,000 carry the seal of GOD. So it is imperative not to include the remnant of israel and the 144,000 in these group of people that is going to be killed by these plagues, because if they are, none of them would survive them plagues. Since no one repents after them, only evil people survives.
This is confirmed by the following passage, (Revelation 12:13-17), “[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. [14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. [15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” KJV.
Israel, which is the woman, will take refuge in the wilderness for three and a half years. The dragon, the serpent, satan himself will go against her. But it seems that neither men, nor the beast, nor the false prophet will go against her. Is the refuge in the wilderness away from the reach of men?
The 144,000, who carry the testimony of JESUS, will protect her from the devil. The remnant of israel still has to accept JESUS as Messiah. To my own understanding, the confrontation between the devil and the 144,000 seems to be a spiritual battle for the souls of the remnant, not a physical one because they seem to be out of the reach of men.
The last of the sixth trumpet sound appears in (Revelation 11:14), “The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” KJV.
This has been discused plenty in the post Last chance: the two witnesses. Please read that page now.
The seventh trumpet is all that is left. (Revelation 11:15-19), “[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. [16] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, [17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
It is time for the LORD to reign. And the elders thank for they will reign with the LORD. (Revelation 5:9-10), “[9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; [10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” KJV.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
It is time for the destruction of babylon.
[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” KJV.
The temple opens once all bowls have been poured over babylon. Now it is easy to understand that what the saints were praying to GOD for was the destruction of babylon. If you were not convinced at the beginning when I said the censer was the hail now you might get it. But if not, the result is the same, think the seventh seal releases the censer, and the seventh trumpet releases the hail. The important thing is the seals and the trumpets are parallel events.
